What really drives me crazy is that it was only about a week ago that I got into the show at all ... and of course I fell head over heels for Owen and Tosh.
WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I *will* hand it to them ... it was an awesome death scene. In fact, out of all of it, the Owen and Tosh scenes were far and away the best parts of the episode. But, but .... *wails*.
I think I'm going to crawl back into my happy SGA world and not come out.
One of my first reactions, other than "Holy shit!" was "Oh, poor friendshipper... isn't Owen her favorite?"
Some parts were definitely over-the-top. I had figured that Grey would be evil and possibly off-kilter if only so they could torture Jack with that (and because any characters sharing names with me would obviously be psychopaths). But Jack was a little... too much at times. I would have understood his weepiness had he actually killed his little brother that he felt he failed, rather than just chloroforming him.
I *will* hand it to them ... it was an awesome death scene. In fact, out of all of it, the Owen and Tosh scenes were far and away the best parts of the episode. But, but .... *wails*.
Agreed. They were heart wrenching and so full of awesome. But still, once you get through the heroic death scene, erm, that's sort of it. My great love for Angel dimmed a lot after they killed my favorite character there within the first nine episodes.
Of course, I had all prepared myself for Ianto to die, but I guess they need to wait a little bit longer before Jack and Gwen inevitably sleep together for that.
(Oops, I keep C&Ping between windows. Pardon moi.)
SPOILERS! Obviously, Greyias, you can read, but others might not want to.
I was avoiding rumors so hard that I only heard someone say today that Ianto was rumored to die--and how glad she was he didn't.
I was totally unprepared. Well, half unprepared--I'd suspected all along we'd lose Owen, and then people let it slip in the summaries of their stories, but I didn't expect Tosh!
I love the three who are still there, so it's not exactly my favorite characters who died--except that Tosh rocks, and I'm having trouble looking forward to s3.
I totally expected Ianto to buy it -- because as a writer, I would have more obviously targeted the person that Jack seems to care a great deal about, even beyond the rest of his teammates. Then again, the Torchwood writers are not I.
Partly because, WTF? Why kill Tosh and Owen? Is it that stupid "so you don't feel safe" trope they were spitting out with Carson? (Apparently it's not safe to be a MD in science fiction -- period.) I'm hoping there's an actual reason for it beyond "shaking things up".
I too really like the three remaining cast members, Tosh and Owen weren't my favorites, but I didn't want them to die! It's like while I may not have a huge girl crush on Teyla, there would be hell to pay if they tried to take her off the team one way or the other.
I really just don't know what to expect from S3, and it'll probably be more of a casual interest rather than "Yey! Torchwood!". I just really feel like they're building everything up for Jack and Gwen to eventually have a hookup, because they're the leading man and the leading lady -- and seeing as how Ianto and Rhys are my faves I'm just not looking forward to that happening.
I'd say I trust the writers, but they've been hinting more than strongly at it, and dude, they killed Owen and Tosh for apparently no reason.
I'm very glad they didn't kill Ianto! Though it may not matter if I fall out of love with the whole show as I fear. And yes--what's with killing doctors? Egad!
I fervently hope they are not building up to a Gwack hook-up (I love that combination of names). Like Sam and Jack (SG-1--too many Jacks!), I like Gwen and I like Jack, but I do not like Gwen/Jack. I think since she got married, Gwen really hasn't been giving Jack those looks, and she knows how deeply Rhys loves her. She really loves him, too! She does not want him in danger and went nuts when he died in first season!
I also think (hope?) Jack has the maturity not to break up their relationship. It's not that I think Jack has embraced monogamy; it would be nice if he did, but that's too much to hope. But he stands not only to hurt Ianto (who is going to get hurt one way or another, and Ianto himself knows that--"we dabble" my foot!), but Gwen and Rhys. He respects Rhys (as well he should!), he loves Gwen. Just say no, Jack!
But, doggone it, I just got into TW fandom! Don't wreck the show now, writers! I wrote my first story for it! Maybe they had a good reason?
Speaking of which (the fic, not the putative "good reason")--could I interest you in beta-reading my epilogue for "Adrift"? aurora_novarum already gave it a read over and has pointed out several infelicitous sentences and a few downright unreadable ones, but she hasn't seen all the episodes of the show, so she wouldn't necessarily catch violations of canon. It's third-person limited, Ianto's point of view, two scenes, about thirteen pages total.
I'm holding out hope against hope that the TW writers will buck the norm and actually not go the Jack/Gwen route. (Gwack, hee!) I think the characters themselves probably would and should resist, but some writers... I don't know. I love Jack and Gwen's friendship, and their respective relationships to their partners. I'm not so sure he's a monogamous sort either, and I see Ianto getting hurt in the end one way or the other; I just hope Gwen won't do the same to Rhys.
But, doggone it, I just got into TW fandom! Don't wreck the show now, writers! I wrote my first story for it! Maybe they had a good reason?
Just hold onto that dire hope that the writers have a very good reason for what they're doing -- I didn't see the TW Declassified that went along with the episode, but it sounded like they might have gone into some sort of reasoning behind the senseless killings direction they went. Blind hope managed to get me to Season Four on SGA... so maybe it'll work for TW too!
Sure, send it my way! I haven't seen maybe three later episodes of Season One, but I've thoroughly spoiled myself on Wikipedia, so I'm pretty sure I can catch any canonical errors (because I'm weird and anal about things like that).
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What really drives me crazy is that it was only about a week ago that I got into the show at all ... and of course I fell head over heels for Owen and Tosh.
WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I *will* hand it to them ... it was an awesome death scene. In fact, out of all of it, the Owen and Tosh scenes were far and away the best parts of the episode. But, but .... *wails*.
I think I'm going to crawl back into my happy SGA world and not come out.
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Some parts were definitely over-the-top. I had figured that Grey would be evil and possibly off-kilter if only so they could torture Jack with that (and because any characters sharing names with me would obviously be psychopaths). But Jack was a little... too much at times. I would have understood his weepiness had he actually killed his little brother that he felt he failed, rather than just chloroforming him.
I *will* hand it to them ... it was an awesome death scene. In fact, out of all of it, the Owen and Tosh scenes were far and away the best parts of the episode. But, but .... *wails*.
Agreed. They were heart wrenching and so full of awesome. But still, once you get through the heroic death scene, erm, that's sort of it. My great love for Angel dimmed a lot after they killed my favorite character there within the first nine episodes.
Of course, I had all prepared myself for Ianto to die, but I guess they need to wait a little bit longer before Jack and Gwen inevitably sleep together for that.
(Oops, I keep C&Ping between windows. Pardon moi.)
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I was avoiding rumors so hard that I only heard someone say today that Ianto was rumored to die--and how glad she was he didn't.
I was totally unprepared. Well, half unprepared--I'd suspected all along we'd lose Owen, and then people let it slip in the summaries of their stories, but I didn't expect Tosh!
I love the three who are still there, so it's not exactly my favorite characters who died--except that Tosh rocks, and I'm having trouble looking forward to s3.
How could they??
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Partly because, WTF? Why kill Tosh and Owen? Is it that stupid "so you don't feel safe" trope they were spitting out with Carson? (Apparently it's not safe to be a MD in science fiction -- period.) I'm hoping there's an actual reason for it beyond "shaking things up".
I too really like the three remaining cast members, Tosh and Owen weren't my favorites, but I didn't want them to die! It's like while I may not have a huge girl crush on Teyla, there would be hell to pay if they tried to take her off the team one way or the other.
I really just don't know what to expect from S3, and it'll probably be more of a casual interest rather than "Yey! Torchwood!". I just really feel like they're building everything up for Jack and Gwen to eventually have a hookup, because they're the leading man and the leading lady -- and seeing as how Ianto and Rhys are my faves I'm just not looking forward to that happening.
I'd say I trust the writers, but they've been hinting more than strongly at it, and dude, they killed Owen and Tosh for apparently no reason.
/bitter
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I fervently hope they are not building up to a Gwack hook-up (I love that combination of names). Like Sam and Jack (SG-1--too many Jacks!), I like Gwen and I like Jack, but I do not like Gwen/Jack. I think since she got married, Gwen really hasn't been giving Jack those looks, and she knows how deeply Rhys loves her. She really loves him, too! She does not want him in danger and went nuts when he died in first season!
I also think (hope?) Jack has the maturity not to break up their relationship. It's not that I think Jack has embraced monogamy; it would be nice if he did, but that's too much to hope. But he stands not only to hurt Ianto (who is going to get hurt one way or another, and Ianto himself knows that--"we dabble" my foot!), but Gwen and Rhys. He respects Rhys (as well he should!), he loves Gwen. Just say no, Jack!
But, doggone it, I just got into TW fandom! Don't wreck the show now, writers! I wrote my first story for it! Maybe they had a good reason?
Speaking of which (the fic, not the putative "good reason")--could I interest you in beta-reading my epilogue for "Adrift"?
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But, doggone it, I just got into TW fandom! Don't wreck the show now, writers! I wrote my first story for it! Maybe they had a good reason?
Just hold onto that dire hope that the writers have a very good reason for what they're doing -- I didn't see the TW Declassified that went along with the episode, but it sounded like they might have gone into some sort of reasoning behind the
senseless killingsdirection they went. Blind hope managed to get me to Season Four on SGA... so maybe it'll work for TW too!Sure, send it my way! I haven't seen maybe three later episodes of Season One, but I've thoroughly spoiled myself on Wikipedia, so I'm pretty sure I can catch any canonical errors (because I'm weird and anal about things like that).